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<title>CESE DE VANVES  UN SIMULACRE DE DEMOCRATIE PARTICIPATIVE</title>
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<summary>   L’assemblée plénière du CESEV (Conseil Economique social environnemental...</summary>
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&lt;p style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14pt;&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;L’assemblée plénière du CESEV (Conseil Economique social environnemental de Vanves) constatera ce soir la démission de l’ensemble des membres de la commission «&amp;nbsp;&lt;em&gt;espace public&lt;/em&gt;&amp;nbsp;» après «&lt;em&gt;&amp;nbsp;deux ans de loyaux efforts pour s'impliquer dans la vie vanvéenne&lt;/em&gt;&amp;nbsp;». Le maire de Vanves l’a regretté dans un courrier adressé à chacun à chacun d’entre eux, qui a fait réagir Pierre Toulouse, l’un de ses membres, &amp;nbsp;surtout lorsqu’il leur a reproché un «&lt;em&gt;&amp;nbsp;manque de concertation&lt;/em&gt;&amp;nbsp;».&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 14pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;«&amp;nbsp;&lt;em&gt;Vous avez lancé&amp;nbsp; le CESEV en 2015,&amp;nbsp; sans aucun moyen et sous une forme extrêmement lourde, et surtout totalement contrôlée: nomination des présidents de commission sans concertation avec les membres,&amp;nbsp; nomination d'un élu référent chargé de filtrer toutes les demandes et seul point de contact entre les commissions et la mairie, établissement d'un règlement intérieur vous réservant la prérogative des sujets de travail (réglement que vous vous êtes empressé de ne pas respecter en&amp;nbsp; ne formalisant aucune commande)...Tout ceci, ce sont effectivement&amp;nbsp; des questions de forme, mais elles se sont rapidement doublées de questions de fond.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14pt;&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Malgré d'instantes demandes du&amp;nbsp; groupe&amp;nbsp; il a été impossible d'obtenir les&amp;nbsp; données dont nous avions besoin. Le plan de la rue Bleuzen que nous réclamions à chaque séance,&amp;nbsp; ne nous est parvenu qu'au bout d'un an alors que le travail était fini.&amp;nbsp; Tous les contacts avec les élus en charge des secteurs concernés ou &amp;nbsp;les services de la mairie ou de&amp;nbsp; GPSO nous ont été systématiquement refusés alors même que monsieur Roche, qui assistait à la quasi totalité des séances, les entendait.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14pt;&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Nous avons rapidement compris que sur le projet Bleuzen, votre seule volonté&amp;nbsp; était de faire cautionner par le groupe une étude commandée par la mairie ou GPSO, étude&amp;nbsp; que l'ensemble des participants se sont accordés à trouver très médiocre et incomplète. Malgré&amp;nbsp; ce contexte&amp;nbsp; défavorable, le groupe a produit&amp;nbsp; une réflexion constructive&amp;nbsp; et étayée, que vous avez à peine lue et sur laquelle votre seul retour a été qu'elle dépassait largement la commande (qui n'a jamais été formalisée)…&lt;/em&gt;&amp;nbsp;» écrit il tout en constatant qu’au moment de l’envoi de ce courrier, «&amp;nbsp;&lt;em&gt;les services de GPSO&amp;nbsp; s'apprêtaient à y mettre en oeuvre leur projet de modification de deux passages piétons, ignorant superbement nos propositions visant à&amp;nbsp; affirmer, au même endroit, la prééminence du&amp;nbsp; très important&amp;nbsp; flux piétons par la création d'un plateau traversant&amp;nbsp; entre la rue Gambetta et le square Marceau…Il est piquant d'ailleurs,&amp;nbsp; de découvrir à la rentrée que&amp;nbsp; vous vous félicitez d'avoir obtenu&amp;nbsp; de Ile-de France mobilité, la création d'une nouvelle ligne de bus RATP (59) qui empruntera cet itinéraire.&amp;nbsp; S'il ne s'agissait pas de deniers publics nous ne pourrions qu'être amusés d'imaginer les bus et leurs passagers tressautant joyeusement sur le double ralentisseur que vous venez d'y installer!&lt;/em&gt;&amp;nbsp;»&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: 14pt; font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif;&quot;&gt;«&amp;nbsp;&lt;em&gt;Au delà de ces travaux sur les&amp;nbsp; projets soumis à notre réflexion, ( les conditions de travail&amp;nbsp; ne se sont aucunement améliorées pour la réflexion sur les accès à la gare du Grand Paris), vous avez écarté toutes nos propositions de travaux ultérieurs: Ouverture du Parc Michelet,&amp;nbsp; circulation sur la rue Marcheron&amp;nbsp; par exemple, mais que&amp;nbsp; vous avez également refusé&amp;nbsp; obstinément de nous associer aux projets de la Ville&amp;nbsp; concernant le domaine de la commission ( passage des Reflets,&amp;nbsp; urbanisation de la place des Insurgés de Varsovie et de la Porte Brancion, piétonnisation de la place de la République etc.) ni même de répondre simplement aux questions légitimes que nous posions&amp;nbsp; de façon réitérée&amp;nbsp; comme la position défendue par la Ville dans le syndicat mixte&amp;nbsp; travaillant sur le nouveau contrat Vélib&lt;/em&gt;&amp;nbsp;»&amp;nbsp;»regrette t-il «&amp;nbsp;&lt;em&gt;Il est vraiment regrettable pour notre collectivité que vous attachiez si peu d'importance aux compétences collectives et individuelles de vos concitoyens. En matière d'aménagement il faut certes de la technicité -&amp;nbsp; et vous l'aviez parmi les membres de la commission - mais il faut surtout une vraie écoute des habitants qui acceptent de réfléchir&amp;nbsp; de façon constructive&amp;nbsp; sur leur espace public. C'est cette compréhension du fonctionnement de l'espace qu'aucun technicien&amp;nbsp; extérieur&amp;nbsp; ne saurait obtenir&amp;nbsp; sans une écoute attentive des acteurs de la rue. Mais pour ça, monsieur le Maire, il faut&amp;nbsp; savoir faire confiance à ces acteurs et vous avez prouvé, au travers ce simulacre de démocratie participative,&amp;nbsp; que vous n'avez pas cette qualité. Vous voudrez bien ne trouver dans la virulence de ce courrier que le dépit d'un citoyen engagé pour que sa ville soit demain meilleure qu'elle ne l'est aujourd'hui et prêt à y apporter ses compétences et son énergie&amp;nbsp;&lt;/em&gt;».&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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<title>DINER DEBAT DE LA JCE GPSO-VANVES SUR LES CONSEILS ECONOMIQUES SOCIAUX ET ENVIRONNEMENTAUX</title>
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style=&quot;text-align: justify;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;&quot;&gt;Voilà une semaine, la JCE GPSO consacrait un diner débat sur les Conseils Economiques, Sociaux, Environnementaux Locaux (CESEL) auquel a participé Bernard Roche en tant que président du CESE de Vanves. «&amp;nbsp;&lt;em style=&quot;mso-bidi-font-style: normal;&quot;&gt;Il est tout jeune, il n’a que quelques mois d’existence. Il s’inscrit dans une politique de participation locale qui repose sur des citoyens de bonne volonté&lt;/em&gt;&amp;nbsp;» a-t-il expliqué en présentant son organisation, son fonctionnement, quelques thèmes de travail. L’intérêt de cette rencontre était aussi de montrer que l’histoire de la JCE (Jeune Chambe Economique) et des CESE régionaux et locaux &amp;nbsp;est liée. Tout simplement parce qu’elle a participé à la création du premier CESER en Ile de France dans les années 60/70, comme l’a rappelé l’un de ces anciens membres,&amp;nbsp;avant que chaque région n’en créée un, grâce à la Décentralisation des années 80 qui a permis aux régions de passer du statut d’établissement public régional à collectivité locale. Elle y a eu toujours un représentant dans le CESER Ile de France, même s’il a fallu qu’il défende son siége en 2013, lorsqu’a été entrepris une fémininisation et un rajeunissement de ces assemblées consultatives régionales où siégent des représentants des entreprises, des syndicats, des associations et de la vie civile. Pierre Blanchard, le titulaire actuel siége à la &amp;nbsp;Commission Aménagement
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